From: Stacey O’Connell
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:50:10
To: Chris Simcox
Subject: Give me a call when you have some time.
You’re not going to like what I have to say to you, and its time you heard it. What you did to Pineapple was 110% wrong and I won’t stand for it. I will not sit by on this one and be quiet as in the past.
SO
To: Stacey O’Connell
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007
From: Chris Simcox
I'll give you a call and discuss it but you won't like what I have to say either. Pineapple created the problem everyone bent over backwards to resolve it and he created the friction. No one would have known anything about had Pineapple not complained to other people I'm not going to allow him to play the victim on this one
From: Stacey O’Connell
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:00:51
To: Chris Simcox
Subject:
I know your position, Gene explained it to me and I know he was following what you had asked. I’m asking you, going to plead with you to reinstate Pineapple on the lines as a scout and line leader. Yes, Pineapple has his issues, complains, etc. Very valid. I have witnessed some of the same things that Gene complains about with Pineapple. My tolerance level is different that Genes, and I developed a working and personal relationship with Pineapple. That’s why I agreed to mediate the issues with Lance and P last Tuesday PM. Vie heard this issue about P going to others to complain, some say its spreading rumors, I don’t see it that way. He talks to many MM that he commonly associates with and voices his opinion, and that no different that anyone else in MCDC. You and others state there are email complaints on Pineapple, but nobody discloses them, I see them as hear-say and not valid. This was handled completely wrong. You don’t take a MM like P and remove him from all duties. He has given more to MCDC AZ than any other MM, and there were times in the past we would not have had an operation without him. Right now, the camp is in the lowest state of moral ever in AZ, you’ve got MM resigning over it, you’ve got MM packing up and leaving camp, and you’ve got some MM that agreed to stay for a few days after I asked them to. There is a petition being floated around camp demanding that P come back on the lines, showing no confidence in the people that made that choice. P has many more friends than enemies for sure, and even those that have had issues with him in the past support him over this. Chris, you need to stop putting your hands on operations. Anything from allowing under 18 yr old kids on line, overturning other leaders choices, and trying to manage lines and people...it does not work. You are the Pres of the organization and our spokesman.....that is all. You have good people in place to run things, let them do it. The choice to remove P from the lines was wrong. Nobody ever considered what it might do to MCDC AZ and the MM at camp. It is having an overwhelming negative effect, and there is a lot of whispering and open talk going on, and the emails are flying. This can’t be stopped, and I won’t try to stop it. Pineapple deserves better than all the double-talk he’s gotten from everyone over the past 2 months in planning this thing. Tues PM Lance tells me that P can run lines for him and scout each AM. 2 Days later gene tells P that he’s not allowed to do either, and has to stand down for 3 days. These are grown men, not kindergarten kids; they are volunteers, not employees. You shut down talent like P, and you’ve got nothing. In fact, Gene had no clue Lance told P Tue that he could help run lines and scout, there is a big communications gap down there, and way too many chiefs trying to run this thing. Greg Thompson resigned and a major reason for that was because new chapters are not getting the money they were told they would get. People see you as a micromanager, and they can’t deal with it any longer. Now wave got good dedicated volunteers standing down, resigning and outright pissed over this issue with P and you stand to lose many more before the month is through, and quite frankly I will probably be one of them. I can no longer support these kinds of outrageous actions, and I will not stand by and see a good MM like Pineapple be shit on.
I asked you to remove Al Garaz 2 months ago over threats of violence to me on two occasions witnessed by Bill and Carmen....and by me. He is still a National Leader, he surely got away with that one, and that was by far the first time he has ever threatened people like that. You put up with that kind of bullshit but you can’t have people learn how to deal with Pineapple and utilize him as best we can? Whets wrong with that picture? Chris-I’m at my wits end. Please have Pineapple reinstated on the lines as line leader, and scout ASAP. P told me he is willing to speak with Gene, you, Carmen, whomever and make amends, get back to the operations and put this all behind them. I highly recommend you take this olive branch from Pineapple.
SO
From: Chris Simcox
To: Stacey O’Connell
Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:52:42 +0000 GMT
Subject:
The fact is you have meddled in something that was not your business and I will restate the facts P6 created the problem you have only created more divisiveness. Leadership is making a decision on their own and I will support their decision the same I did for you. You and everyone else involved are displaying tremendous immaturity around this very private situation between management and the individual involved. You are wrong to get involved in making this a public issue you are dead wrong. "Sent via BlackBerry." -----
From: Stacey O’Connell
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:11:24
To: Chris Simcox
Subject:
And there is even more confusion now as Gene has told me Friday that Pineapple was not to scout or run lines after the 3 day suspension, he was only welcome to stand on a post. So is Gene and Lance confused as well? I think they are quite clear on what was told to them, and what was told to Pineapple and what was told to me. Everyone seems to have that story straight at least. I won’t stay out of it. I did nothing to ruin any 'harmony' at the operations or with the MM. Its poor leadership, communication and poor treatment of the situation that has soured the mouths of the volunteers. I don’t know what 'further action' you are talking about, but if you’ve got something in mind, I'd love to see it happen. Let’s see whets on your mind. You want to start terminating MM over this, be my guest. SO
From: Chris Simcox
To: Stacey O’Connell
Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:01:05 +0000 GMT
Subject: Re:.
Oh boy have you had the wool pulled over your eyes on this one or is it you can't see the forest for the trees. Ill be blunt and to the point. We would not be discussing this had p6 kept his mouth shut and was able to work with management. He has created the problem not me or anyone else. Frankly you have let friendship cloud your perspective and frankly this situation was none of your business or anyone else's p6 made sure to create problems with moral and drag everybody into this mess - he has lied to you and mislead everyone - he has shown a distinct lack of judgment and I have lost all respect for him if this mess continues I will terminate him.
Fact: p6 was disciplined for 3 days then was to have been given his job back as scout if he told you anything else he is lying. You made my point by admitting he goes to others and complains that is unacceptable of anyone in a supervisory role. He was the one along with Connie Foust who caused the Jerry Seper fiasco loose lips sink ships p6 cannot be trusted and has proved to be destructive by talking and causing problems with morale not me or anyone else is responsible for that. Bill Irwin only changed job titles don't play him against me and /Reg Thompson has not resigned from anything as far as I can tell and if he is talking about internal issues with you that is out of line on your part and anyone else who is talking with you about any of these issues it is not your place to do so. Please stay out of this and remember this would never had been an issue and caused any problems had p6 minded his own business, taken his 3-day disciplinary action like a man then he would have been reinstated on Monday now that you and he and others have decided to ruin the harmony in the camp I am seriously inclined to take further action rather than less and it will be p6 last chance this whole thing is absurd please stay out of it. Chris
From: Stacey O’Connell
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:07:43
To: Chris Simcox
Subject:
I never made such a screwed up decision, and it was rare you ever needed to defend me. This is a divisive issue because leadership did not communicate amongst them, and did not think of what repercussions pulling P6 off the line as a line leader or scout for the month would have on the volunteers. So, now that your team has done so, it’s divisive because people actually defend P6-right? This is not a private situation when you take a well liked, well known MCDC AZ line leader off the lines and discipline him by standing him down for 3 days and removing any line leadership/scouting from him....all for trivial crap. So, you can tell the two pages full of Minutemen signatures on the petition that they are immature and should not get involved, Ill leave that one up to you and your team. See how immature they are when they walk away from MCDC even more.
I am defending someone that has been invaluable to MCDC AZ for 2 years. What was done to him is wrong; he in fact was lied to. I think you, P6, Gene, Lance and Carmen need to have a conference call or face/face mtg at the very least......you’ll be shocked to learn more of how disconnected people are with each other. You proved that when you said he was allowed to return as scout after his 3 day 'grounding'. Not even close to being on the same page as Gene/Lance.
You can’t make calls like this and expect people to not get involved. It does not work that way. Terminate me, P6, anyone you chose, but we have an issue and MCDC needs to deal with it.
SO
From: Chris Simcox
Day: Mon, 09 Apr 2007
To: Stacey O’Connell
Subject:
Stacey, I have given orders for the petition crap to stop immediately, I spoke to Sandy about it. I understand that you are planning to work at 3-points this weekend - you have two choices -drop all discussion about p6 and cease and desist with the petition -or- stay home.
The problems you and others have created are being resolved by leadership - stay out of it.
Chris